#765: Wildcards in Permissions Policy Origins
Discussions
2022-09-19
Yves: I sent some comments and got a reply - some things not defined. Based on what Nick Doty added as well... will check if basic use case is enough... or should we mandate other ways of doing matching. Amy is looking at it as well..
2022-10-10
Yves: I sent a request for clarification.. they want to only have /*.
... issue is the same issue Nick reported... all on or all off... difficult to exclude some domains... or restrict by pattern... they say they want it to work with CDNs for 100s of domains... I wonder if finer grain matching would be better. Probably something we need to disucss...
Sangwhan: this looks super risky.
Yves: I proposed partial matches or negative matches ... i understand it would be difficult to implement.. but partial matches would probably be a good move here.
Dan: I'd like to get Andrew's perspective...
Sangwhan: MNOT maybe as well... One concern I have also - we have varying kinds of wildcard syntaxes... across the platform. We'll have to deal with this technical debt. In service worker there's another wildcard...
Yves: it's different but they still don't want to implement regex in general. There's also the *
or something that is similar to regex without it being a regex...
Dan: Should we open a design principle issue?
Sangwhan: it's a best practice, but everyone is doing their own thing...
Yves leaves comment
2022-10-17
Dan: left feedback last week.
Yves: we gave them a pointer to the minutes. Waiting for the feedback. The issue was about opening too much.. using unrestricted * and only that. I can reping at the end of the week.
2022-10-24
yves: still waiting for feedback on their side. Amy?
Amy: I haven't looked recently...
yves: disucssion is they want to allow only * , with nothing else. We thought it was a nice way to shoot yourself int he foot. They wanted to solve the issue of CDN with a large number of networks. The issue is there, we've asked for a way to mitigate that.
so... still pending external feedback. I've bumped the deadline.
Sangwhan: [nudged requestor]. hopefully they'll get back to us before the plenary.
2023-04-tokyo
looking at latest comment / version: https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/765#issuecomment-1468200656
Dan: noting a positive review on the initial Mozilla standards position request but no response yet on the most recent request.
Dan: looking at comments left by annevk on the webkit standards position... However it does look like there is work going on to address the issues Anne has raised...
Yves: [on hostname matching] They are matching what's in CSP but that still opens things too much. The possibility of having a wildcard and removing a few things might have been good. The fact that they are reusing what is in CSP is a good thing even if it doesn't solve our original comments.
We close this one.
OpenedAug 19, 2022
Wotcher TAG!
I'm requesting a TAG review of Wildcards in Permissions Policy Origins.
INITIAL PROPOSAL
The Permissions Policy specification “defines a mechanism that allows developers to selectively enable and disable use of various browser features and APIs.” One capability of this mechanism allows features to be enabled only on explicitly enumerated origins (e.g., https://foo.com/). This mechanism is not flexible enough for the design of some CDNs, which deliver content via an origin that might be hosted on one of several hundred possible subdomains.
This feature will add support for wildcard in permissions policy structured like SCHEME://*.HOST:PORT (e.g., https://*.foo.com/) where a valid Origin could be constructed from SCHEME://HOST:PORT (e.g., https://foo.com/). This requires that HOST is at least eTLD+1 (a registrable domain). This means that https://*.bar.foo.com/ works but https://*.com/ won’t (if you want to allow all domains to use the feature, you should just delegate to *). Wildcards in the scheme and port section will be unsupported and https://*.foo.com/ does not delegate to https://foo.com/.
Before, a permissions policy might need to look like: permissions-policy: ch-ua-platform-version=(self "https://foo.com" "https://cdn1.foo.com" "https://cdn2.foo.com" "https://foo.cdn2.foo.com/")
With this feature, it could look like: permissions-policy: ch-ua-platform-version=(self "https://foo.com" "https://*.foo.com")
EXPANDED PROPOSAL
Subdomain wildcards in allowlists provided some valuable flexibility, but differed from existing wildcard parsers and required novel code and spec work. This intent will reduce that overhead by reusing parts of the existing Content Security Policy spec and permitting ‘scheme + wildcard domain’ and ‘wildcard port’ in the allowlist.
Specifically, this intent would adopt the definition of host-source and scheme-source instead of origin in the Allowlist definition while requiring that the path-part is empty (as Permissions Policies apply to matching origins). This would change three things from the prior wildcard implementation (all of which expand the range of allowed wildcards and none of which add new restrictions):
(1) Removing the eTLD+1 requirement for subdomain wildcards Previously, you could not have a subdomain wildcard like “https://.com” but could have one like “https://.example.com”. Now, you can have subdomain wildcards both like “https://.com” and “https://.example.com”.
(2) Allowing scheme restrictions on wildcard domains. Previously, you could allow “” but not restrict to a specific scheme like “https://” or “https:”. Now, you can still allow “” but have the option of delegating to just a specific scheme like “https://” or “https:” (the behavior of these is identical).
(3) Allowing port wildcards. Previously you could delegate to the default https port like “https://example.com” or “https://example.com:443” (the behavior of these is identical), but there was no way to explicitly delegate to all ports like “https://example.com:*”. Now, you can still delegate to “https://example.com” or “https://example.com:443” but delegation is also permitted to a wildcard port like “https://example.com:*”.
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