Peter: Hadley isn't here, so let's punt.

Dan: I don't have a car.

Hadley: I haven't driven a car in ages! (But we have a fresh perspective.) Summary: They couldn't break out of the manufacturing idea; couldn't handle the constantly-updating idea. [Gives brief history of issue]

• Wanted to bundle car sensors, but there were complications... wanted to push them to HTTP to handle diverse topologies, etc.
• Clarified what a phone that plugs into the car could get access to; infotainment system capabilities.
• The web has many of the same primitives they were trying to re-invent...
• Issue on liability; if 3rd party builds a poor infotainment system, that has liability on the manufacture.

Dan: Any updates since we last looked at this?

Hadley: The crew is in CR and want more feedback/revisions before finalizing. Have pinged Yves on a different issue... May be able to close this out (process wise), but should ensure we can circle back later.

Yves: There is danger to them re-inventing the wheel--protocol-wise. I've been prompting them over time. I will communicate to Ted to have them send issues our way over time.

Peter: do we have a wrap-up for this?

Sangwhan: May need to check at F2F?