Xiaocheng: about vertical alignment ... e.g. aligning something to a capital letter's basline of a passage of text... difficult to do... can only align to the containing box ... another case is veritcal align a line of text with something else... and identify the middle line of the line of text.. This proposal introducuces text-box-trim - most basic usage is trimming the letting above and below the text... then use this to vertical align with some other content. In general I'm pretty positive with this proposal... Very multi-stakehodler. Solving an alignment problem ... might have interaction with borders, background, highlights... not sure if it's considered...

Martin: [I have to say: I've wanted this for some time for my own use: aligning baselines of different boxes is super fiddly.] I think it's the right thing to do is to ask the question about alternatives considered... "I know this changes the size of the box. Have you considered the implications..." Seems unlikely that they haven't considered this... Because we don't have an explainer here... I think it's good to ask them to explore some of the alternatives.

Dan: should we ask for an explainer?

Xiaocheng: there is an explainer... but we should ask them to put it in the CSS wg.

Martin: it's a good explainer...

Xiaocheng to draft some feedback in the issue asking for alternatives

Xiaocheng: this is about trimming the text box to allow vertical alignment ... last time I left a concern that we're resizing the boxes and that has led to concern .. I'm satisfied with the answer. It's been considered. Not try to outsmart the CSS wg on CSS.

Hadley: in my experience it's helpfull to remind them but yes.

Dan: i suggest closing here and we can re-play it at the plenary.

Hadley: totally agree.

Action: Xiaocheng to close as satisfied with comment.