#907: CSS `text-spacing` property and its longhands
Discussions
Comment by @torgo Oct 11, 2023 (See Github)
Hi @kojiishi we really need an explainer in order to execute a review. Thanks!
Comment by @kojiishi Oct 11, 2023 (See Github)
Updated.
Discussed
Oct 16, 2023 (See Github)
Yves: explainer is a google doc... needs i18n review more than anything else. Syntax seems okay, painful to parse but should be deterministic
<blockquote> Hi @kojiishi thanks for that – we're reviewing this morning and largely happy with the proposed syntax. Can you also let us know more about the status of this work in the CSS working group and multi-browser support. Are there webkit and Mozilla standards positions on this? Can you also let us know about any W3C internationalization review if this has happened? </blockquote> Comment by @torgo Oct 17, 2023 (See Github)
Hi @kojiishi thanks for that – we're reviewing this morning and largely happy with the proposed syntax. Can you also let us know more about the status of this work in the CSS working group and multi-browser support. Are there webkit and Mozilla standards positions on this? Can you also let us know about any W3C internationalization review if this has happened?
Comment by @kojiishi Oct 17, 2023 (See Github)
Can you also let us know more about the status of this work in the CSS working group
@frivoal @fantasai ?
and multi-browser support. Are there webkit and Mozilla standards positions on this?
WebKit said "text-spacing is something we’d like to start implementing soon", and Safari Technology Preview has a runtime flag. @nt1m might be able to provide more.
Mozilla standards-position #903 has a comment "yes" but I'm not sure if this is from a Mozilla's engineer. @jfkthame @masayukinakano ?
Can you also let us know about any W3C internationalization review if this has happened?
@r12a was involved in most of discussions for this property at CSSWG, and W3C Japanese Requirement Task Force (@kidayasuo chairs this TF) as well.
Comment by @frivoal Oct 23, 2023 (See Github)
Can you also let us know more about the status of this work in the CSS working group @frivoal @fantasai ?
The spec as a whole has yet to reach CR, which would indicate that the CSS-WG thinks it's done with it (unless further external feedback comes), so it is premature to claim stability on the whole feature set, and things are quite interconnected overall.
That said, for this particular part, I think we're getting close. I would expect some further tweaking of the details as we continue to iterate (see https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/pull/9503, or https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/9423, or https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/8511 for instance), but I think the way the feature works overall, and its syntax in particular, are unlikely to change much going forward.
Discussed
Nov 13, 2023 (See Github)
Yves: I don't have an issue with this - the main issue might be "why are we reviewing this now" - it's not early or horizontal so feels weird.
Peter: it's a CSS thing that isn't architectural...
Yves: syntax could be - part of the syntax could impact parsers...
Lea: one concern I have - often features added that only work in a single language... the name doesn't indicate that. It's a CJK specific thing... but sounds like a more genral thing. Maybe just that the explainer is focused on CJK?
Peter: that's useful feedback...
Dan: does florian think it's premature to review it or not..?
Yves: a bit premature becasue it's not stable enough to reach cr... but still it's pretty stable
Peter: at least one feature that also applies to french..
Rossen: and arabic
Peter: so not ideographic specific. Okay to close?
Rossen: i'm happy to close.
agreed to close 907, Yves to write closing comment
Comment by @ylafon Nov 16, 2023 (See Github)
We looked at this during our latest breakout, discussing the "generic" name of text-spacing-trim
while it applies only to CJK, in contrast, text-autospace
applies to more than the CJK context.
Considering also the assessment of stability above, we are happy to close this issue.
OpenedOct 10, 2023
Hello TAG!
I'm requesting a TAG review of CSS
text-spacing
property and their longhands.This property is a shorthand for setting text-spacing-trim and text-autospace in a single declaration. They control the typographic behavior for Han-derived scripts, specifically Chinese and Japanese. Traditional Han-based Korean is also included but Hangul is usually not included.
Further details:
We'd prefer the TAG provide feedback as (please delete all but the desired option):
💬 leave review feedback as a comment in this issue and @-notify [@kojiishi (implementer), @clqsin45 (implementer), @bfgeek (implementer), @fantasai (spec editor), @frivoal (spec editor)]